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I filed an appeal with the California Unemployment Appeal Board, can give me any tips if my appeal is valid?

by DD

(Los Angeles, CA)

During my interview with my former employer it was agreed upon that if I accepted employment I would be allowed to attend castings during the work week.

My former employer did not offer full-time employment, sick pay, vacation pay, or health benefits. Due to the center offering only 24 hours per week of employment, my employers agreed that seeking self-employed work during the week was acceptable. For close to two years this agreement was honored by my employers.

During the length of my employment I received only praise and encouragement to attend castings, and was blindsided when I was terminated after nearly two years for doing what I was permitted and encouraged to do.

My former employer informed the California EDD that I voluntarily quit and that I was self-employed during the work week, but they gave me a termination letter! (I would have continued working if the didn’t) In the letter it clearly states: “we have no choice but to terminate your employment here”. I’m confused how that is the same thing as voluntarily quitting. I wasn’t given any written warning prior to my termination, nor did I turn in a resignation letter. We had a meeting one Wednesday afternoon and I was told that my replacement was coming in the next morning and they asked me if I could train her.

I also have timesheets documenting (yes I kept them all) over a two year period showing that they let me attend castings during the work week, as long as I signed in an out, and they didn’t pay me while I was gone.

In addition to the timesheets I have emails that one of my co-workers bcc’d me on with dialogue between my bosses and my co-worker saying things like, “Let’s ask her to take a paycut, because we can’t afford her” and they even asked me to lower my hours to 20 hours a week, because they needed to make cutbacks. The option to take a paycut was never presented to me, and the option to cut to 20 hours a week I refused since I was barely scrapping by on what they paid me for 24 hours.

Please help! I am nervous and desperate for any advice you have to offer.

Hi DD

Here’s the thing .. or the problem for me .. if you will.

Your title says you have appealed to the board .. To me, that means you’ve already had your first hearing.

And now you that you are appealing to the board .. the relevant information is no longer what documents or testimony you might have provided .. or what you pulled from the employer on cross examination about “the conditions of hire” ..

But what the first level hearing decision says .. and what actually went on during the hearing .. which is THE RECORD being created for the rest of the appeal process.

Any board level appeal which disagrees with the first level ALJ’s findings of facts or reasoning while applying the laws .. and the standing unemployment precedents must be made clear in a written “legal brief” which, almost always can be submitted after you send off the appeal letter. But you’ll have to check the code .. or contact the board of appeal to be certain how California does it.

Yet another basis of appeal would be that the ALJ broke with the “rules of procedure” for administrative law hearings.

A break with rules of procedures .. let’s say an “overruled objection or a sustained objection on the grounds of relevancy might be grounds for another lower level hearing if the information really was relevant.

The argument in the brief might be as pointed as showing an error in the ALJ’s reasoning. For example he/she might have given more weight to “hearsay” testimony .. than direct testimony to reach the conclusion of the decision.

Now, here’s another thing .. I’m not a lawyer .. I’m not even a paralegal .. I do not write board appeals .. but if I were doing this for myself, the first thing I would want to do is send off the appeal and second .. I would be getting my hot little hands on the recorded transcript of the proceeding .. or THE RECORD of the first hearing.

What I’d would be looking for is the error that allowed the decision to say you quit .. when in fact, the employer hired you with a specific agreement or conditions 2 years ago that allowed you to do .. what you did and that out of the blue .. they upped and changed the conditions .. without telling you.

Or if you couldn’t prove the agreement at time of hire that you did prove through testimony and documentation, consistent behavior on the part of the employer to condone this continuing relationship.

And here’s the third thing .. if you’ve only been denied with the initial determination .. and I’ve been working backwards and on assumptions to boot .. you might now know what to look for in the benefit determination guide.

Tips? .. Try the California unemployment insurance appeal board .. I’m sure the video on the front page will put you at ease .. but I prefer the precedents they link to on the left.

I’m sure they really want you to understand how to write a valid worthwhile board appeal .. so they can pay benefits to you.

Comments for I filed an appeal with the California Unemployment Appeal Board, can give me any tips if my appeal is valid?

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Apr 15, 2011
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I was wrongfully terminated.

by: Mike84


I was wrongfully terminated because of a family emergency and it was a life/death situation. I notifided the owner and he was soo upset he treathened to fire me. I told him I have to go ill bring document proof I was there. I came back the next day to pick up my check and notice my time card was missing… I asked the supervisor where it was and he said he didnt know… After waiting nearly an hour to get my check the supervisor pulled me aside and said hry the owner texted message me and said your terminated…gave me two checks and walked me out.

I was soo upset because that was the only job that was supporting my wife and I and we had a baby on the way. Theres no jobs in this small town.

After filing for unemployment he denied my benefits and told edd I voluntarily quit… I filed for an appeal.

My hearing is on the 21st and I hope everything goes well…

If I win how long does it take to recieve benefits?

I don’t know Mike .. how long it’s taking California to start sending checks after winning an appeal .. but if all you tell me is accurate .. I can’t figure out why the EDD, not the employer, denied benefits to you.

Did you offer to fax your documents proving the life/death situation to the phone interviewer?


Mar 17, 2011
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I WON MY APPEAL!!!!

by: Anonymous


I just received my letter in the mail yesterday. The judge reversed the department’s decision on everything. My hearing rep was amazing, and even contacted me today to find out if I received any news. He made me feel at ease with the entire process and knew the right questions to ask and the right answers. I HIGHLY recommend him to anyone who has a unemployment appeal coming up. Contact Chris for his information.

Hi,

First .. a big YEEHAW!!

Secondly,

Anyone can contact him themselves by filling out the form at the bottom of this page.

Chris


Mar 02, 2011
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CA Appeal details

by: Anonymous


Hi Chris,

I used the hearing rep your site refers to and the one that you and I discussed. I will write you an email to tell details about how great he was, especially if I win.

My hearing was 11am and they were pretty backed up, as a matter of fact my original judge was so backed up that another judge took my case, read over it for 10 minutes, then called me in for my hearing.

I sort of wish that my former employers did show up, so that what they wrote in their written statement could be proven as false. My hearing rep and I were prepared for a fight! They said in their statement, that they had given me a warning about my absences, which they never did, and didn’t provide any proof of. When the judge asked me if they did I told him that they absolutely did not. Since I was physically present hopefully the judge believes me. I wanted to elaborate, but I just replied that they never did.

The office of appeals said that they were really backed up, so they are unsure how long it will take for me to receive a decision. Hopefully sooner than later. I’ve been waiting over 3 months now for my UI benefits.

You will win ..

You’ve got me thinking .. maybe I should add a link to my testimonial page for the hearing rep I’m referring everyone to .. maybe his very own!!

But for now .. in case anyone reads this .. you can contact the same reps to represent you .. as long as you live in a “agreeable state”.

Very .. very experienced at unemployment hearings.


Mar 01, 2011
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Had Hearing Today

by: Anonymous


Hi Chris,

I just had my unemployment appeal hearing today and my employer did not show up. They instead submitted a written statement that just repeated what my termination letter said. The judge asked me questions and my hearing rep asked me questions then my hearing rep made a closing arguement.

Everything went pretty quickly, but the judge seemed really cold and exhausted. I really wanted to elaborate on my response to plead my case, but I was nervous and my hearing rep said that elaborating was not necessary.

My hearing rep, who was amazing and I will definitely recommend him, said that everything went very good and I should definitely win my case. Fingers crossed, I really hope the judge understood my argument.

Hi Anonymous,

I have all kinds of questions for you:)

What time of day was your hearing .. just wondering .. Although a cold demeanor might just be “personality”. Exhausted is understandable if you’ve been doing hearings all day long.

Statements will never carry as much weight as unrebutted (not sure if that’s really a word) direct testimony. So I agree .. why elaborate if you don’t have to. This is how claimants get themselves into trouble .. the more you talk .. the more you might say something that opens a new line of questioning.

Where did you find your excellent hearing rep?

Chris


Feb 22, 2011
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Unemployment Appeal

by: DD


Can you possibly change my name to Anonymous? Thank you in Advance.

I just put in a request to speak to you, so hopefully we will talk soon. Until then…

Yes, I can prove the conditions of hire through the timesheets, but here lies the problem. I don’t have every single timesheet for every single week I worked there. I have written a subpoena for all of my timesheets, from my first date of hire until my last that I plan to turn in tomorrow. Hopefully, the judge will approve. The timesheets I do have are over a 9 month span of employment, so if push come to shove hopefully 9 months is enough time to prove the consistency of my employers granting me permission to attend castings during the work week. Proving to the judge the agreement we had. (I really would like to show the judge the timesheets over the entire 2 years, but I don’t want my case postponed if my employer fails to produce the documents)

I need to also note that rarely were my absences for a full day, just 2-4 hours in the middle of the day. Again, when I came back to work, day after day. I NEVER received a write-up saying that my absences could result in my termination.

Yes, the termination came out of the blue. The termination letter was also my first written warning that I was being terminated for my absences. In the meeting they told me that my attending castings were becoming a problem. I asked them what they suggested to uphold the agreement we carried out for almost two years? They said nothing. They asked me if I could promise to work everyday from 9-6? I told them I couldn’t promise them, but I would certainly try, and if they didn’t want me to go on these castings why did they continue to encourage me instead of writing me up and telling me to stop? Their answer was since I couldn’t promise them they would have to terminate me and that my replacement was coming in the next day.

My employer reported to the EDD that I voluntarily quit?? Very confused, because they also asked me to help them train my replacement the next morning. I agreed in good faith and because I needed the money. My replacement didn’t show up, because she was uncomfortable with working with someone they terminated my employer told me. (again how is that a voluntary quit?) Who quits a job and shows up to work the next day to help their employer??????

Did I also mention my employer does not have an attendance policy, nor a progressive discipline policy. I have also put this in my subpoena even though I know they don’t have a written one.

By the way, this site is amazing. Hopefully my employer does not find it!

Hi,

I can’t change it on the comments only the original submission .. we’ll talk about alternatives when we talk.

I wouldn’t worry about them finding it .. I don’t think I could help them out with this one anyway.

They would have to lie convincingly and that .. I no longer want to be a part of .. anymore.


Feb 20, 2011
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Mistake

by: DD


Hi Chris,
I am so sorry. I actually resent my case to you because I made a mistake in saying that I was going to the board. I am actually going to my first hearing on March 1st. My apologies. Please look for my other post.

I am so sorry again.

It’s not a problem DD.. within my answer .. even answering as though it was a board appeal .. I provided you with what the basic premise of what I think you need to consider ..

In truth .. the only reason I mentioned it at the bottom .. was because .. you didn’t mention going to a hearing ..

I also hope .. you now know the importance of the first hearing .. because I do not believe a board appeal is a second opportunity to get it right ..

So I’m sorry .. because I was being mildly .. smart-assed.

The conditions of hire two years ago .. can you prove them?

And if you can (which I assume you can via the timesheets) ..

Did this decision by the employer to terminate your employment .. because you were doing everything exactly the same way you and the employer agreed and have continued to do for two years, come out of the blue?

I mean .. when they decided to terminate your employment .. was it because the employer told you you they needed you at work one day .. and you decided to leave anyway?

That .. would be a quit .. You might mention in your appeal .. that you disagree and want to appeal the determination because you did not quit .. you were terminated because the employer no longer wanted to meet the conditions of hire they agreed to at the time you accepted the job.

The timesheets .. might be used by you to show the employer did agree to these conditions and actually condoned this work arrangement .. for the past two years.

Chris


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